From: bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu (David Bostwick) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.games.upcoming-3d,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,rec.games.computer.quake.misc Subject: RESULT: rec.games.computer.unreal fails 81:42 Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <859492744.7340@isc.org> Supersedes: <858354167.28123@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers (UVV) Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: rec.games.computer.unreal Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 19:59:05 GMT Lines: 229 Xref: news.gamers.org comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action:6713 rec.games.computer.quake.misc:6082 RESULT unmoderated group rec.games.computer.unreal fails 81:42 There were 81 YES votes and 42 NO votes, for a total of 123 valid votes. There were 2 abstains and 3 invalid ballots. For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. Unless serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the group may not be voted on again for six months. Newsgroups line: rec.games.computer.unreal Unreal, the 3D action game from Epic. The voting period for this group ended at 23:59:59 UTC, 26 Mar 1997. This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to one of the proponents. Proponent: Raphael Quinet Proponent: Joost Schuur Votetaker: David Bostwick RATIONALE: rec.games.computer.unreal The rec.games.computer.unreal newsgroup is for discussing various topics related to the computer game Unreal, soon to be published by Epic Megagames, and its sequels and user-written add-ons. Unreal is a highly customizable 3D first-person perspective action game scheduled for release later this year. Although the game has not been released yet, it is expected to be very successful (it offers features similar to Quake and beyond). It is already being actively discussed on IRC, on Unreal's WWW message board and in several games-related newsgroups, such as alt.games.upcoming-3d and comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action. More than 3000 messages related to Unreal have been posted on Usenet in the last two months (update for February 97: the traffic is now exceeding 6000 messages -- search done by looking for "Unreal" in games and PC newsgroups and filtering out bad matches that were not related to the game by Epic). A newsgroup alt.games.unreal has already been created on some servers; creating a rec.* newsgroup early enough would help avoiding the kind of confusion between alt.* and rec.* groups that occured for the Doom newsgroups and, to a lesser extent, for the Quake newsgroups. This first Request For Discussion proposes the creation of only one newsgroup for Unreal. If the traffic gets too high, it may be necessary to split it later (by creating .editing, .playing, .servers and others) and rename it to .misc. However, we think that it is better to create one group now and propose to split it later, when we can judge from the existing traffic in that group and from the information available when the game is released. CHARTER: rec.games.computer.unreal This group covers all topics related to the game Unreal, its add-ons, sequels and games based on the same engine licensed from Epic. The range of topics will be very broad at first, but will be reduced if more specific groups are created. Examples include: discussion about Unreal features, comparison with other games, playing standard or user-written levels, editing the game, setting up a server, etc. Binary files such as custom levels or compiled programs do not belong in discussion groups and should not be posted here. Instead, the files should be put on an FTP or WWW site and a short announcement should be posted in this group. When relevant, excerpts of source code or configuration files may be posted, as long as they are reasonably short (at most a few dozen lines) and readable. END CHARTER. DISTRIBUTION: The CFV for this group was posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups news.groups alt.games.upcoming-3d comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action rec.games.computer.quake.misc rec.games.computer.unreal Final Vote Ack Voted Yes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ **jforcum@voicenet.com** Jeffrey C. Forcum acarle@cats.ucsc.edu Andrew Craig Carle alexander@mbox301.swipnet.se Alexander Nilsson andrew.qua@cableol.co.uk Andrew Qua Andrew@amorph.demon.co.uk Andrew Smith andreww@c2.net Andrew Wooldridge argh@ziplink.net Tim Wright baynon@acsu.buffalo.edu Cliff Baynon BEG@wtp.net Brett Gneiting benningf@aur.alcatel.com Robert Benningfield bernardo@emails.com Bernard Kornberg bnagelschmidt@monmouth.com Brian Nagelschmidt boutros@null.net Keith Vanderpool brewman@tgn.net Kerry Brewer budwardo@concentric.net Buddy Osborne charlie@jorsm.com Joe Sola cliff@epicgames.com Cliff Bleszinski CopeKnight@worldnet.att.net Carl Lund craeb@auracom.com Craig Raeburn criggie@hn.planet.gen.nz Craig Box d94-hhe@nada.kth.se H=E5kan Hellgren daman@csd.uwm.edu David Aman darkblade@barbariccreations.com Brad Schuetz dlr@sparc.isl.net Dennis Renner doley@jfh124.rh.psu.edu James F. Hills dusenbur@keynet.net Marshall R. Dusenbury Erik.Bailey@FMR.Com Erik Bailey farquhar@acsu.buffalo.edu Erik Farquhar fpv@xymph.iaf.nl Frans P. de Vries goodin@sfu.ca Charles Goodin harris5@premier.net Steven Harris hax@mscomm.com Isaac Dawson hunter@mindport.net Leo Carroll infinity@gdi.net Craig jcullen@execpc.com Todd Cullen jk3@ziplink.net James Kelly III jk4@ziplink.net James Kelly jmc34318@jetson.uh.edu Manuel Cortina jon@epicgames.co.uk Jon MacLellan joshua@inch.com Joshua Marshall jpladue@telerama.lm.com Jean Paul Ladue jpmck@ix.netcom.com Jason McKnight jrs@larch.demon.co.uk Jason Shannon jschuur@onlinemagic.com Joost Schuur kaufmans@tiac.net Robert Kaufman kbob@inxpress.net Kevin Stone kick@vcn.bc.ca Greg Webster kimdv@best.com Kim DeVaughn max389@IDT.NET Pasha P. Phares mboydstn@concentric.net Michael Boydston mbwarren@acs.ucalgary.ca mike warren mike@mail.nevalink.ru Mike Fyodoroff mmorrell@artsci.wustl.edu Melissa Morrell morn@vistec.net Hendrik Mans mrhappyman@usa.net Jon McIlwaine nick@cimio.co.uk Nick Waterman - Hates Long Ballots nils.gutgesell@hamburg.netsurf.de Nils Gutgesell paulst@harborside.com Paul Taylor peterjt@netcom.ca Peter Thomas psx@ime.net Ben Hamilton Puppet@dial.pipex.com Steve Peake quinet@gamers.org Raphael Quinet rescom@compusmart.ab.ca Taylor Agnew richard@anduril.demon.co.uk Richard Poffley rmcfarln@cs.mcgill.ca Roger McFarlane rosmanha@pinkinc.com H. A. Rosman s-laurence@usa.net Sean Laurence S.Peake@uk22p.bull.co.uk Steven Peake sawchuk@nucleus.com Darby Sawchuk sean@shadows.co.uk Sean Green stamper@stamper.com Chris Stamper stile@ionet.net Howard Wilson II T.Harte@btinternet.com Thomas Harte vanes002@maroon.tc.umn.edu John Van Essen watcher@mhk113.rh.psu.edu Matthew Keller wbell@deltanet.com Wayne Bell wdenton@polymail.calpoly.edu William Andrew Denton willfe@maine.fc.hp.com William W. Ferrell wipeout@franken1.de Mario Hielscher wpns@world.std.com William Smith zot@ampersand.com Mark Atwood Voted No ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ afabbro@brokenarrow.us.itd.umich.edu Andrew Fabbro booda@datasync.com Martin H. Booda Cipher@mindspring.com Dave Howard cn103@torfree.net Duncan Findlay corwyn@chesco.com John Crothers ed@twin-cities.com ed bertsch ehilsdal@cs.indiana.edu Erik Hilsdale euthke@siam.muc.de Ekkehard Uthke finc27@pop.uni-dortmund.de Thomas Adams fnord@odyssee.net Thomas Moll gaillard@panix.com Ed Gaillard ggw@wolves.durham.nc.us Gregory G. Woodbury gpr96002@uconnvm.uconn.edu G.P. Ryan hgoldste@bbs.mpcs.com Howard Goldstein jason@r33h142.res.gatech.edu Jason Bennett jesp@intercable.net Jesus Eugenio Sanchez jkramer1@swarthmore.edu Joshua Kramer jsciv@bev.net Joseph Cochran kuo@bit.csc.lsu.edu Isaac Ji Kuo lah@magna.com.au Lyndall Hardy larry@ibm550.vitek.com Larry Reeves lcs@zk3.dec.com Larry Smith mhkohne@moberg.com Michael Kohne naddy@mips.pfalz.de Christian Weisgerber olav@viking.mv.com Olav Nieuwejaar patl@lcs.mit.edu Patrick J. LoPresti paxil@cancom.net Trevor Tymchuk pimentel@ultranet.com J Pimentel RDClark@aol.com Richard D. Clark richsong@vcn.bc.ca Richard Songhurst rick@bcm.tmc.edu Richard Miller schwarz@physik.tu-berlin.de Georg Schwarz se20@cornell.edu Stephane Evoy snakey@ibm.net Karl Palutke stainles@bga.com Dwight Brown steiners@primenet.com Jason Steiner stuart@cosc.canterbury.ac.nz Stuart Yeates tjaskiew@kibo.us.oracle.com Tom Jaskiewicz urbains@198.163.122.177 Lilibelle Urbains vernmcc@dreamscape.com Vernon L. McCandlish willday@rom.oit.gatech.edu Will Day zed@cjnetworks.com Ned Fleming Abstained ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ aahz@netcom.com Aahz giles@ivytoo.onlinemagic.com Giles Douglas Votes in error ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ bs268@freenet.carleton.ca Jonathan M. Wade ! No ballot kibo@dhp.com kibo ! Invalid address test@test.com Darshan Toolsidass ! Invalid address $